The FAQ isn’t reassuring at all. It even seems to contradict itself at points…
Corbent
I expressed my refusal to have my official ID linked to my internet persona. It’s the whole point of not using my real name. And I was told that no information could link my ID to my account. But here we have “Once an ID has been used to verify one VRChat account, it cannot be used to verify other accounts (alts).”. That sounds tightly linked to me.
It says I can contact support to ahve my information deleted but " If you ask us to remove all of your information from the VRChat servers, this may affect your Verification status or your account may become unusable." So the answer in reality is NO. I can’t.
We also have “You may also request that Persona delete your ID data at any time. This will not affect your Age Verification status.” versus “Some data must be stored with Persona while you maintain a Verified Account that lets us know if an ID has already been used.”
I was reminded that the Privacy Doc from persona states that the information would be deleted IMMEDIATELY after verification or within 3 years. Which seemed confusing in itself, but here it is made worse “Persona will retain your ID data for as long as necessary to provide Age Verification for VRChat.”. It seems to indicate “Indefninitely while you have a VRC account.”
NONE OF THIS is necessary. All this take is to verify ONCE, mark it in your database as “THIS GUY IS A VERIFIED ADULT”. Done. Delete everything else. Because people don’t get younger as time passes. That is not how nature works.
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If individuals refrain from verifying when VRC employs a system like this, perhaps a better solution will be developed in the future. Providing feedback is one thing, but we can also choose to decline verification until a safe and effective system is established.
Corbent
LOL I just read that the cost of verifying is not for the VRC people. It's for the player. I wouldn't be surprised if VRC gets a cut of all the verifications as a "referal bonus" for all the new Persona customers.
ByteByte-Baxi
They keep fucking lieing and their discord is a cult.
Corbent
So now it seems they aborted the FAQ thing and will do it again on release. Can't wait to be surprised by even worse news.
ByteByte-Baxi
Corbent They are just going to keep lieing. You also can not speak against the Age verification, on the discord. Becouse you will be ban. I did so and not only got harassed threatened with doxing and called a child groomer. Muted on the discord immediately upon bringing up the persona concerns. Then when I asked the mods ie the people payed by vrchat to run the discord. Why i was muted and if talking about the AVs problems is against the rules. They ban me for 7 days under "toxic behavior toxic person" they are a cult. they will lie to you and tell you whatever they feel like to take your data.
Corbent
ByteByte-Baxi Seeing that age verification is closer than I expected, I think I will just find a different game. I read in another post that in ChilloutVR you can verify using your Steam account (mine is 17 years old). That's a lot more reasonable for a fucking game than handing over my documents and face.
ByteByte-Baxi
Corbent yee resonite is super cool as well with its options for building in world. Id love to just see people go to diffrent platforms.
Corbent
ByteByte-Baxi For now, I immediately cancelled my VRC+ subscription while I see how things go. I just regret having paid it for so long.
EinDev
To be fair, "linking your ID to your account" and "not being able to create a second account" does not necessarily contradict itself.
They might get a response "this ID was already used to verify" from persona and know this way. We have no way of knowing that this is the case without them clarifying this though.
lackofbindings
EinDev But that's yet another contradiction. In order for persona to know that it had already been used they would have to have been storing it. And if they're using it for that check then they can't let you delete it or it would make the check pointless. So either they're storing it forever and they check for reuse, or you can delete it. You can't have both.
EinDev
lackofbindings Sorry, i did not read until the end. Yes, on the Persona side it seems to contradict itself.
At least, if it is true, this would be a severe loophole: Verify an Account, ask Persona to delete your ID data, then verify another one.
How would they possibly verify that you are the same person? Using data they are not allowed to have anymore?