Hidden, invisible, inaudible players and privacy concerns
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Joker is punk
At unpredictable times, players will disappear completely in an instance, not be visible, have a name plate, make any audio, appear on the social list, and apparently won't have any local simulation data associated with them.
Beyond the obvious frustration and confusion that this causes, it causes a somewhat significant lack of confidence for personal privacy.
It becomes difficult to be assured of who is and is not present and listening to private conversations. Please address this.
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Tupper - VRChat Head of Community
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It appears that various mitigations have squashed this bug! The thread below indicates that there have been very few or no observations of this bug for a few months now.
Thank goodness, because this was a bad one.
CyanLaser
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: This bug still exists. On two cases today on live 1128, one person was not visible for me after spawning into the world. No capsule at all and mute/unmuting another player shows the missing player.
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community
CyanLaser: Good to know, I'll note it internally. Just seems hyper-rare.
kawashirov
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Seen this issue few times in last two weeks.
Darkdragontc
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: This bug still exist for me as well, been trying to firgure that as well of how to fix, despite the normal mute/unmute, blocking etc. It could be also no one is upgrading the SDK world to the latest one and it could cause the effect to happen, but again not sure.
Darkdragontc
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: This issue is still happening, in a few places i'm going invisible even though updating SDK and unity, can they be any chance to fix this please.
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community
Out of curiosity, how many people have observed this _directly_ lately in Live? Please don't telephone game reports-- I'm interested in verifiable, definite "Yes, I couldn't see this person until I muted/unmuted someone else" reports.
I haven't heard or seen any further reports of this issue and I think we might've squashed it with some other, related changes.
SplitScream
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Had this happen 2 days into unity2019 haven't seen it since
sophiа
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: it used to happen to root constantly like almost every time i joined him havent seen it since 2019 unity i think it might be fixed
Salbug
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Don't think I've encountered this for a while now that I think about. I haven't had to do my usual method of fixing it in quite a long time.
Skipper
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: I haven't seen it at least since the switch to 2019!
Asovrix
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Had it happen few times on Lakuza's World Hop to... Lakuza himself (last time around a month ago). Annoyingly enough muting/unmuting, hiding/unhiding avatar or even blocking/unblocking any person in the lobby wasn't fixing that for me. Needed to rejoin the instance for him to appear for me.
JustJaime
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: I've been on the receiving end of the issue 3 times this week, twice in one day. However, instead of it being where whole lobbies can't see me except for one/two people, everyone can see me except for one/two people.
However it's happening a lot less frequently. Instead of experiencing it multiple times a week, the three times this week were the only times I've experienced it this month.
Pillazo
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Haven't encountered this in a while, I think its good.
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community
JustJaime Asovrix : Those sound like different bugs. In short, it looks like this bug has been squashed!
Salbug
Tupper - VRChat Head of Community: Bug squashed!
ReploidSham
Certain worlds tend to invoke it constantly. A good example is the TonboBattleField. You may need 10+ users to trigger in, but it's intermittent and affects certain people. I noticed targeting when and setting hide and show avatar can fix it after they disappear, but when you're playing a game world, that can be terrible. It doesn't seem to affect Lasertag as much but I've seen it happen there.
When it comes to private convos, though. Really, assume you're never save, take it to invite only.
knah
While this is highly upvoted and being worked on, I'd like to take the opportunity to plug another related issue (see my last comment on it, not issue text): https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/1095-avatars-with-chairs-cause-players-to-be-stuck-on-spawnorigin-for-late-joine
TLDR is that an avatar with enough chairs and index controllers will make you appear frozen to remote users, so you can roam the world freely and listen in on conversations, while being completely invisible and inaudible (because you're stuck frozen on spawn for remote players).
Salbug
As noted in their most recent patch, mitigations have been put in place to prevent this issue from occurring. It's still being investigated though.
NullNotBub
Recently happened to me on 6/24/2021. Nobody could see me and I had to rejoin the instance multiple times just to get it working.
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IshRawr
So i keep having this same problem where people cant see me when i join. Sometimes only few can and other times no one or everyone can.. idk how to fix this.
And no i do not mean just the avatar, i mean everything, username and avatar and cant hear me either. I constantly have to reload the world ot leave and join back or sometimes even restart the game. Its really annoying and i have to constantly ask people if they can see me. And sometimes when i talk to a friend (if they can see me) others sometimes say who are you talking to. And when playing games like murder four, i get kicked because my character is “invisible” and claimed as hacking. I need this fixed
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David Dreemurr
this is happening again, it happened on 6/18/2021 on one of my friends back at the skyhouse... and it happened again today.
Salbug
Another thing I just realized I wanted to point out in case it could be useful info. Whenever someone joins the instance but is non-existant, I do not get a join notification for them in the XSOverlay log parser. At least from what I remember. Will be on the lookout some more for this.
JustJaime
I experienced this glitch 3 times yesterday (I was invisible). I saved my log. I don't have a Github so here is the txt file from Dropbox. It's quite long since I experienced it 3 times in 3 different worlds before deciding to log out.
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