Man I sure do love it when the player base finds something cool that they can do, the dev team removes said cool thing, and then breaks what it was originally supposed to do in the first place :^)

Just to be clear to everyone: the post intention is not to bring back self chairs (i mean i wouldn't mind it but not really the intention) and also not attacking any member of the dev team personally, but bringing out in an intentionally "not too nice" way (i can't be bothered to be nice anymore) the poor decision making that ended up into effectively generating more bugs than fixing them. If you have to fix something, at least to it right and don't rush it for whatever reason.

Time to dig into my pocket and toss in another coin into this wishing well of forgotten dreams they call the Canny. Not that I expect any result to come of this, as the words we throw away here land only on deaf ears; but rather to be used as an outlet for my frustration. As well as a way to converse, learn from, and teach others who actually have the capacity for reasoning.

The developers are incompetent.

In every conceivable way the developers, time after time, have made changes to this software that don't understand the wants and needs of their users, that only continue to damage the integrity of their user base, their software and their brand. They continuously stumble over their own feet just to maintain a false front of competence, when their software is visibly falling apart at the seams. Every time they develop and release new updates, they are only ever focused on their own or someone they can profit off of's vision. And despite the overwhelming outcry of the user base that even provides the legs for this software to stand on, it is always met with ignorance or dismissal.

As much as they preach mantras like "Enabling expression" or "enable creativity", they almost certainly do not mean it. At every turn of a user trying to freely express themselves or be creative, they are met with rules to every exception, and an exception to every rule.

The front they seem to display every time people try to do something creative is;

"You can be creative, if and only if it is in our vision of creative."

And when users work outside their vision, the developers scramble to stop them at all costs; which is when instances like this arise.

In their scramble to maintain totalitarian control over their user base, and thinking they know what's best for their users, they break more than they fix. They break features, such as user avatar chairs, then either don't bother fixing it, or provide a less than desirable alternative.

This in turn imposes more limits on what an individual user can be creative with. Obviously the vicious cycle of any software development is fixing bugs causes bugs, but garbage in equals garbage out, thus when they rush to mend some minuscule bug they don't like, they cause more problems than they fix due to them only focusing specifically that one bug in that one scenario, rather than invest time and effort to implement a fix that doesn't ruin the feature.

Then after implementing the fix as soon as possible, they make false promises to "properly implement" it in the future. Which almost never seem to come to fruition, or if they do, are nothing like the initial request, and are often better left untouched. In addition to these false promises, they seem to act as if they care about some minority group of users the bug could have affected. Then they almost immediately turn their backs and do something that negatively affects and limits that group's creative abilities. For example, the "World Author's point of view". They plead as if this chair station bug was greatly "limiting" their ability to create user experiences without worrying of a user interacting with it in an unintended way. As if now that this was discovered, that all users wouldn't be interested in the experience and just clip through everything, as if every user would just cheat a game, given the chance. Not to say no one would of course. But even though this was and is still possible in other forms, such as modded clients, or collider surfing; which are just as easily accessible by any user, suddenly this bug discovery that people were gaining a new form of enjoyment out of, will somehow ruin the world creation scene on a global scale. Yet the only "limits" visible for world authors are the terrible quality of tools actively available to them, and all features they break by sitting on all the new bugs that come with updates, only to be fixed some time far into the future. The only limits to world authors are imposed by the developers. Also with how the development cycle of this software has been since its inception, especially at its degrading quality over the past few years, there is doubt that the grand promise of the "Udon" node graph scripting system will live up to the hype they are generating for it. Nor will it be any different from any other content they release.

In all, this evidence provides proof to the statement that the developers of VRChat are incompetent. They ignore the and refuse to understand user base that granted them popularity, enforce restrictions on the creativity they falsely advertise, stumble over their own feet trying to maintain total control, and provide false promises while shielding themselves with some pathetic form of pity. All this clearly shows that the VRChat developers are completely and utterly incompetent. Though, this should stand as a permanent vision of them, hopefully one day they realize the importance of listening to and communicating with their user base, and attempt to work alongside them to work towards developing a better user experience overall.

Addendum: I encourage anyone to provide me information I may lack or have missed, point out flaws or falsehoods in my argument, or create a well structured rebuttal to my points. As I said at the beginning I would like to see what others think, and either learn from or teach them. I am open to discussion.

Looks like this post is going to be ignored from the dev team, like most all essential requests from the community! Why does this canny even exist in the first place?

The devs must really want us to use modified clients instead of using the game mechanics to have fun in this social sandbox!

This was a fun thing to have, just fix the colliding issue and boom, a new feature for us to enjoy, but it shows how the devs like to take away fun from people and its quite depressing as there is no workaround for the feature and now space avatars are quite useless now. CONGRATS DEVELOPMENT TEAM. You can't determine what is fun that comes from a bug as other games used an unexpected bug as a feature, but VRChat be like "NO" because you couldn't just animate a station to move outside a collider if you choose to do so.

Now to wait till you destroy colliders on the bottom of the avatars to abiterate 2+ years of flying avatars from most of us and consider it wasted time like this unexpected bug we didn't want patched.

Kinda wish you put this out there in a more neutral constructive tone much like Lin's original post. I'm hesitant to upvote something that is clearly rife with more than discontent for the occurring bugs. I personally have no hate for the Dev team, and if you ever happen on a chance to meet a member you might realize that while this is a creative sandbox engine to allow player created dreams become reality. This entire game is their creative process.

The game runs on sponsors alone, tries to push new things for vr constantly, and when they patch unintended features like this, they never once say it's forever gone. Putting chairs on avatars alone used to be patched out until they found the time like now to /start/ implementing it in ways that won't break worlds.

The key focus on worlds being bigger than avatars stems from the fact that it's always been their focus. They never believed that avatars would ever be more than just a model with expressions. And they worked tirelessly during the knuckle release to allow us to retain the feature to trigger things via gestures, which a dev admitted was never intended.

So instead of blind hate for the team, just show discontent for the removal of this, and keep asking them to find a way for it to be added. Which Tupper said they would look into doing so when they find a way for map authors to allow such things in their maps. As while avatars are great for person expression, maps will always receive more attention due to them being critically vital. Can't find people to hang with if map creators won't make maps from being unable to set restrictions. Whats the point of a horror map, or jump puzzle if you can just fly out of bounds, or over obstacles.

Just remove chairs- you can use them to clip through the map and fly.

Yes! Finally they removed this absolute game breaking exploit that was use in murder, thank you devs for your quick response. Now we can finally enjoy playing murder again 😊😘😊😊

(for ones who didn't get it, this is super satirical)

I hope we can just revert these changes. I have a Kerbal avatar that used this seat "bug" to fly around. It fit the character well and just yesterday I had a ton of fun with that avatar flying around and getting into orbit of people. It has been a long time since I've laughed so hard, especially in a game.

And then I wake up this morning to them patching it out and breaking the avatar. Maybe instead they could be fixing actual game breaking exploits like the crash beam instead of ones like this that do nothing but make the game more fun? Maybe they should just embrace it and make flying avatars a feature.