NicoGamezYT: exactly. Thank you. A toggle which ive been arguing with this guy about for the last 15 mins.

NicoGamezYT: and i get it breaks your immersion but what ive been saying for the last 15 mins is a toggle.

NicoGamezYT: it doesn't need to be above players, it could just be a small display on your arm that you can place and it chats with other players in the current room. rec room already does this.

NicoGamezYT:yeah

SioVr: "Why is it that we always have to accommodate the hearing." because this literally a game designed explicitly for people in VR, to speak to each other over voice. You're trying to enforce something the game isn't designed for and would cause an influx of users further from the core demographic. Desktop users aren't ideal for people in VR, this would likely cause even more non-VR users who would basically use it as a text-chat client. You'd lose more and more VR users over time as the environment becomes less and less suited to it.

Enverex: “for people in vr” so deaf aren’t people? I don’t know i find your argument ignorant. Yes desktop users will come in, but they will come in either way. There is no stop to that. If vrchat vr users have this big of a problem about Deaf people, im sorry but maybe they should open their eyes more often. If you went Deaf what would you want? Youd want this. You are only thinking about your needs, im thinking about both. Deaf people need it, hearing people can turn it off if needed too or if it annoys them. Literally desktop users could find a text to speak chat website somewhere.

Enverex: or maybe the devs could not give it an option to desktop users. Find a way around it instead of being ignorant.

SioVr: Explaining the purpose of the game to and and how your idea would ruin it is not "being ignorant". Your refusal to think of how what you're requesting would ruin the game for everyone else however, is the epitome of ignorant. If I was a deaf person, I probably wouldn't fixate on something designed in such a way that I'm inadvertently the polar opposite of the target market.

Enverex: i have stated a bunch of ways to not ruin the “immersion” in a game that literally has no immersion. Ive played this game for 2 years. The only immersion is that its in vr. Anime girls arent real. Immersion isnt there. People use pens on their avatars, or pens in certain areas. Im sorry but that ship has sailed.

Enverex: but if you think im ignorant for putting up two sides, go for it. I help people when i can. I spend most of my time teaching asl or helping others. Its hard for me to get my point across. I see a bunch of people struggle. If you dont want desktop users to use it. Then desktop users shouldnt get it. If you want vr users not to use it, im sorry that ship has sailed. If it bugs you you can turn it off.

Enverex: and also its not just about you. “I probably wouldnt fixate on something designed in such a way that im inadvertently the polar opposite of the target market.” I hope one day your views will become more open minded instead of fixated only on the hearing world. If youd like to learn more about Deaf culture id be happy to show you.

Enverex: a lot of people already use VRC as a text-chat, just with pens. Keyboards would make it a lot less painless for those that cannot verbalize/hear.

SioVr: "Ive played this game for 2 years. The only immersion is that its in vr. Anime girls arent real. Immersion isnt there." Again, this is the height of ignorance. The immersion isn't there but it is for others. You want to ruin the game for other people without considering any of the consequences.

Enverex: and what about you mr. This world is only for hearing people, lets exclude deaf out of everything. I have given so many ways to make it where your stupid immersion isnt gone. But i think you are too blinded by the fact you want to argue. Give it up already. If you wanna argue this much at least discord me. Jeez, winning about the fact that your immersion is gone and you dont want it to be easier for others. Then call me ignorant cause i dont see immersion even tho ive given so many ways to fix this.

Enverex: and yeah sorry to break it to you hun, anime girls are not fucking real.

Enverex: immersion in the game was only meant to be for everyone else and not SioVr? or are you saying it was only meant to be for hearing people? elaborate because that looks very ableist.

Enverex: yo dude add me back on discord lets talk a bit, maybe i could introduce you to the deaf.

Waai!: people already hate nametags and having big floating text above people would just make it worse. Sorry if you're sick of hearing it but obviously you havent played in VR to know why this would be bad. You'd make the game better for a small fraction of the players while making it worse for everyone else, except not because people will want a way to toggle that off or just block whoever is using it.

Waai!: I want people to think critically about how to give mute/deafs more accessibility, without introducing the problems of having literal text chat.

I believe there's some psychological theory in that providing text chat in games results in increased toxicity, because it's just very easy to be more toxic through text. That is my greatest fear with these suggestions. I really believe that people having to actually talk reduces particular problems regarding toxicity.

On top of that, it will actually reduce some social interaction to texting instead of speaking, where people would have otherwise spoken. And it's a valuable thing that this game encourages people to break out of their shells - not that I'm saying it's necessary that people get broken out.

Chdata: Direct text chat floating in-world is probably not desirable, but I don't think the correct response to toxicity is to intentionally not include communication features that are common in most online games. We already have decent self-moderation tools, and in theory community moderators.

Direct messaging is a possible alternative: by nature just cumbersome enough to encourage people to talk, and cannot completely substitute voice communication. Drawings are also a universal language, and more emojis that are actually useful communicative icons instead of seasonal jokes would be helpful too.

I'm also unclear how much of this will eventually be required in order to be compliant with the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act in the US.

Waai!: Yeah, I liked the emojis suggestion, or the return of workable pens, and/or 'just cumbersome enough' msg'ing.

Waai!: rec room already does text chat and it's great. it's just a little box on your arm. i agree with all of your input, it isn't right to gatekeep based on ability, it is ableism. i believe VRChat needs to increase their accessibility for hoh/d/Deaf and non-verbal players looking to communicate, no matter how they communicate (signing in VR, typing in VR, typing on desktop). the networked IK and removal of voice prioritization made things worse, so i'm hoping for an update that addresses these issues. the Deaf community and non-verbal community deserve to use VRChat to "Chat" just as much as hearing people and verbal people do.

Waai!: "gatekeeping needs to stop" it's not gatekeeping when what you're suggesting would destroy the fundamental, core concepts of the game itself. Having floods of desktop users is bad enough, but pair that with even more desktop users who are all now using it as a 3D text chat client and you can expect your VR userbase to get tired of it and evaporate very quickly. Not everything can cater to everyone, so in this instance, stop trying to ruin this for the sake of, what is in reality, an incredibly small minority.

Waai!: yes its important and its a thing in most vr games like rec room and altspace vr but vrchat has been out since 20167 and they refuse to do it and it should be a concern that people that dont have a voice cant communicate and vrchat for me has nothing to do with immersion i just like to spend time with friends i just cant talk to them like at all

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