Make pens a universal feature
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Writing in VR is pretty great. You can whip up a diagram, communicate as a mute, or just draw your friends. It's so useful that people put pens in all kinds of random worlds and avatars... But wait, why should they need to do that? What if... we could just have pens _everywhere_?
Please add a way to summon a synced pen that is not bound to a specific world or avatar. Some thought will need to be put into controlling abuse - eg pen muting options, and ways to disable it on specific worlds where it would detract from the experience (eg some horror worlds maybe?)
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MrDummy_NL
Holy cows.
Old 2019 post, but it's not adjusted to 2024 standards. Many reactions.
You can easy add pens to worlds.
You can easy add pens to your avatar.
What is the problem here? People are too lazy. Creators are too lazy to look around. Things that can easy done are just ignored and more people want add pen to the menu (like chat feature).
I still don't get it. I make worlds and add pens there. No problem. Do i need pen on my avatar? No problem.
Must VRChat developers solve everything for you while pen assets are free to download?
If VRChat developers start to add pens, then they must also add security toggle to block pens. Not all people want see drawings. Some people are drawing too much, and that will cause more fps drops and get laggy too. It's not good solution to be far.
And there are also pens with limited trail length. But you cannot draw something with it. It will vanish already at begin. Not useful at all.
Keep it in mind, this will kill also pen creators on booth. Because if it's added to VRChat menu, then nobody will bother to download assets. This is more bad side for all pen creators who put a lot effort in working pen assets. You're killing their work. Some exists already for YEARS and that is some disrespect for their long work.
It's not a big problem in many worlds. It's more your problem because you're lazy. And many world creators know already how to add pens, except NEW world creators are ignoring things. They must LEARN how add pens.
More likely pens should in every world building tutorial to explain how to add it.
So yeah, it's very easy to add pens to worlds or avatars. But again, some people are way too lazy or dumb... that is why some people are arguing already about simple things. Sigh, this is really sad.
What is the solution? Stop being lazy.
Rain Jur
A similar post was made about account-linked props
If a pen could be uploaded to a users account (say a free asset from gumroad for you to download and upload to your account) then you could summon the pen on every avatar you have and be able to use it (locally or globally, a player can allow the pen to be picked up by other users in the world as well)
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Nіyah
Good idea ; very good first default assets if an inventory system happens to be done.
That was posted in 2019 god damn.
Tom Leylan
A vote against any sort of automatic pens. They can be added if the world builder wants to add them. Keep them out of worlds where the WB doesn't want them.
DarkSwordsman
Tom Leylan: If they're added natively, it means people can: a) choose to disable or limit them in their worlds like avatar scaling, and b) users can individually block or show pens globally/per user.
Tom Leylan
DarkSwordsman: So one automatic pen per world? A pen per player? Pens per player with different colors? With selectable drawing widths? And automatic mirrors? If a developer wants to add pens or a video player or make it rain they do it. It can be made easy but it should not be part of any automatic runtime settings.
DarkSwordsman
Tom Leylan: I don't see how this is an argument against what I said. Also, I personally don't care if they add it or not, but I do think it's a good idea and I think it's justified, just like how chat boxes should be moderated per-user.
Tom Leylan
DarkSwordsman: Wasn't intended to be an argument exactly. I think adding gameObjects to a world (is it in the template or added when uploaded) is different than adding avatar scaling or the chat boxes.
kawashirov
Tom Leylan: This can be configurable same way as avatar scaling per world right now.
Tom Leylan
kawashirov: Avatar scaling doesn't "add an avatar" to a world. Adding pens adds game objects. Does their appearance look like the rest of the world? Where do they appear? Are they always visible or can they be displayed and hidden while in game? When a player drops one does it just float in place? It isn't a "do you want pens" type of Boolean choice. Why can't a world designer decide if they want pencils or pens or flashlights or lightsabers from a particular vendor (or of their own design)? When did let's force stuff on people become a good idea?
kawashirov
Tom Leylan: All questions you set can be configurable parameters.
And what about forcing? No one here talked about banning custom pens implementations and/or requiring ppl to use pens. You're arguing with a straw man. It's just about making simple and universal opt-in way to provide basic drawing feature.
Tom Leylan
kawashirov: It is getting silly when people start pulling out the strawman... you even compared it to avatar scaling. You can add in any pens you want and set them however you want right now. Adding such a feature to the standard world isn't likely to happen (and I will guess "never will happen"). It is a bad idea to single out pens as some sort of special game object. Good luck with your suggestion.
DarkSwordsman
Tom Leylan: Your justification is: "Here's a bunch of non-issues that aren't really a problem, they probably won't implement it," and mentioning "game objects" as if that's some sort of issue?
Yes, you are arguing multiple straw mans.
The idea is sane: Allow people to use a pen on their own avatar to be able to draw/communicate to others.
DAG-XR
Tom Leylan
DarkSwordsman: Good luck with your suggestion.
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C R E C R O S S
Tom Leylan: You do realize that all of your ui is a hierarchy of gameobjects right? All they have to do is add a pen, give it color and width customization with limits. And then add option for players to disable it or allow only friends to draw. It wouldn't hurt anyone.
Tom Leylan
C R E C R O S S: You are approaching the issue of custom world building from a completely different direction. A custom color? One color or multi-color, a light-dark option? An eraser on the end or separate? Mirrors on every wall and the world builder simply checks off the "no mirrors" option or sets the transform for the mirror and whether everyone can set them or only friends or friends of friends. Please just add the pens or mirrors or pool tables you want to your world.
But once again, make your suggestion and see what happens. I hope nothing comes of it I am permitted to have that opinion.
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C R E C R O S S
Tom Leylan: It really doesn't have to be as complex as you're making it seem my guy.. And some worlds just don't have mirrors or pens because maybe it doesn't make sense to add them in that specific world..Yet we still have the personal mirror? If we can have a mirror, they can surely figure out a customizable pen with limits.
Tom Leylan
C R E C R O S S: They don't need to figure out customizable pens. Talking about "you realize"... you do know that I cannot see your personal mirror. You intend for me to see your personal pen and your personal drawings, right? And anyone else who decides to draw something. Maybe a scream option that the world builder has to turn off as well. Couldn't you just do the work to add pens or whatever you personally want to worlds that you develop?
I am not making it complex BTW as I'm suggesting you add the pens you want. That is "easy".
Skip the pens for a minute and explain why every silly thing someone wants needs to be added?
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C R E C R O S S
Tom Leylan: It's simple, you don't want to see pens? Then you can turn it off..Or better yet, add an override that lets you enable and disable it for specific people? Like it should be for the chatboxes?
I mean, you seeing it as "silly" is your opinion. Lots of people seem to think it's a good idea. And as long as VRC implements it right, which shouldn't be hard..It should't really cause problems as long as you can disable them. If this is silly, then people being able to display their performance metrics in their chatbox is silly too..But that doesn't mean chatbox wasnt a good idea.
DAG-XR
Now that I look back, this might be a good default asset if VRChat decides to implement an inventory system.
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DarkSwordsman
I would prefer if you could globally disable it or moderate it per-instance, since pens often can cause performance issues. But otherwise, completely agree.
ʙɪɢ․
I wanna leave my 2 cents on this and say that I still strongly believe this needs to be added even now that chatboxes are a thing.
The expressiveness of pens is still such a valuable tool for properly expressing myself and I generally tend to feel left out when friends are in worlds without them. In my experience, using the chatbox is good for long conversations with large groups. Otherwise, I'd much rather be using a pen.
Like many have mentioned, avatar pens really don't cut it because they don't sync the same way QvPens do, for example.
Having individual user overrides to hide someone's drawings as well as having the option to set them to friends only by default would reduce clutter from people abusing the system, of course.
Also if this is added, please add the option to spawn the pen in using a keybind like you can with the chatbox!!
Thank you :]
BeanMChocolate
I looked up pens, this strangely didn’t pop up.
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Add Personal Pens for Deaf Users
BeanMChocolate
I see a lot of speech to text options, but not a lot of options for pens. Worst case scenario, text is screwy, and isn't reliable, why not give everyone a pen that can be enabled so people who are deaf can communicate more effectively? If someone pulls out a pen, you can choose "show writing" to see what they have to say. These pens can only be used by the user who had spawned them, so no one can steal their pen. They act like any other pen, and you can change the color using the menu. Say you want to save a drawing you had made using the pens. That could probably be a VRC+ thing, or maybe you can save 5 drawings free, and get 50 drawing save slots from subscribing. Using VRC+, maybe you could turn those drawings into emojis? It can be an effective communication tool, and an expression of art. Even better, turn smaller drawings into toys, so you can throw them around, and play catch with them.
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