Loli Squad, Rainbow Bears, VRPD, etc etc etc. You've seen all the different groups. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could have WoW-style tags under our names with the group we associate with?
Ideally, I see this system working more like Wildstar's "circles", or Guild Wars 2's guilds. You can join as many as you want, but you "represent" only one at a time. A nameplate mockup might look like the attached image.
You would manage the guild in-game via a simple interface much like the Social menu. If you have permission, you can invite people to your guild or remove them with the context menu. You can change which guild you're representing in your in-game UI.
Additionally, on a website (say, an extension of the vrchat.net/home page), you could manage your group from a browser. You could also upload your icon (in the form of a 1:1 ratio PNG), change your guild name, leave a group, or change your representation via this site.
The "group" would have 3 permission groups:
Administrator - Can represent the group, manage the group on the website, add members, remove members, change group icon, change group name
Officer - Can represent the group, can add members, remove members
Member - Can represent the group
Furthermore, allowing Playmaker access to "guild ids" (such as "current guild represented") would allow people to create rooms with permission-based colliders-- maybe to set up private areas for setting up Improv for those in the improv group, allowing people behind the bar in the Pug, etc.
Apologies if this is too long! This is an exciting idea to me, and I think it would be very heavily used.
This seems like a very awesome idea. This would be great for VRChat.
That would be very cool for our Group! :3
@Hølly: the KGB wants to know your location
It'd be good to be able to make world instances with the group as the host of it. Officers and Administrators could kick and ban people from these instances.
Some members of groups can be disruptive or just self destructive with alcohol or other nasty stuff like that. We need moderation in VRC in the group level.
@Str4fe: Great point.
A feature like this only takes about a week to implement. Shame it was never worked on.
@Pan Diman: Wow that is a long time! Hmmm, seems like a lot has been on the backburner for that then.
@Hello Kitty: The rumor is that they've been working mostly on voice communication over the past half a year or so. Maybe they'll get back to this idea eventually after they're done with networking or even release Udon, which is not happening any time soon.
that would make it easier for me to go erp-people out the way.
ngl I would use the heck out of this feature!!!
I greatly look forward to a feature like this. For those of that do avatar commissions we could have a guild of our clients.
Could be fun if we have the ability to like send messages or something to those in our guilds for like group events even with invites. Probably in a similar fashion to the texting/messaging in game feature people have been wanting.
This is a very bad idea... "Guilds" are already present in vrchat in the form of "gangs" and they are all very bad news, and as there is no competitive gameplay, they fight pissing contests with crashes and cancer and modified clients... They're all nasty dens for drama, and have been seriously harming VRChat as a whole.
VRChat was at it's best when none of the gangs existed, and everyone was just people... people did their own things, roleplayed whatever.
This will only legitimize their creation of gangs. I predict much toxicity.
@Genesis Aria: As I already said, if "Nuisance Users" start using the group system for their gangs, tracking them down will become much easier for moderators. They can make their own logos, sure. Despite their own preferences, it doesn't mean they won't use the system at all; on the contrary, they may be quite interested in it. If you're still concerned about crashers in public worlds, disable everything except voice and avatars on everyone except your friends, unless you don't trust them either.
@Genesis Aria: Believe it or not, the concept of VRChat groups didn't start with crashers and ban evaders. But that's not the point I want to make here.
If you already checked out this week's open beta, you probably know that they added new emojis, they look much better than the old ones, and some of them have very unique animations, which reminds me of the particles some kids really enjoy spamming with. However, if VRChat provides us with even more emojis some "Nuisance Users" would've been using in the first place, it would discourage them from spending their precious time on the process of creating something that's already added to VRChat and accessible to them any time.
Same goes for group tags: if users stop relying on themselves as much as they do right now (because sometimes it looks like "VRChat doesn't care about adding new features", "they want this platform to be run by users instead of developers", etc.) and VRChat turns this into a feature, there will be no need for custom tags, and it's going to be easier to manage the community, too.
Of course, there's another way of dealing with gangs, they could just say that groups aren't allowed in VRChat anymore, but this kind of change would cause more issues between individuals, especially streamers and related content creators. Either way, it's up to them, but not only this feature would add more ways of making connections with friends, it should also provide moderators with tools to track down users who should not be trusted.
@Pan Diman: A) It doesn't matter how it started, what is now is the reality
B) your claim on emojis is a quasi-realistic one, but we're already past the point of no return on that one, it's too late.
C) Most people are more concerned with the game's problems being fixed and solved, than new bloody features
D) Everyone's gonna use custom logos anyways because they're 3d and fancy shaders and spin around and are cool
Groups and communities are not the problem... the fuccboi gangs are the problem. The gangs and groups, they are engines for generating drama, and from drama comes conflict... When people have crashes and modded clients and know how to dox others and so on, the drama escalates into actual real world serious problems which can and are leading to lawsuits even. Encouraging this activity by endorsing the presence of groups is a terrible idea.
The subject should be avoided at all costs, and notorious malicious groups actively chased down and dispersed.
I can tell you clearly aren't exposed to the level of shit that goes down, but it is extremely violent and serious.
@Pan Diman: eksdee it's not that hard to bypass the blocks. it's easy to be obnoxious even with the fallback shaders, and it's easy to crash via other means... some shaders even manage to get through the fallback system. only blocking avatars protects you from everything short of clients using instantiators.
@Genesis Aria: It's not as common as it used to be anymore. I'm sure we'll never be truly safe from anyone in VRChat, the best they can do is minimize the risks.
@Pan Diman: you're not listening, the current "security" system can and has been bypassed.
@Genesis Aria: That's a topic for a different thread.
@Genesis Aria: Well you're no fun. Good groups exist too, this feature would not 'encourage' gangs to form. This would have quite a few nice features, such as communication between members of a group. A lot of the things you mentioned are completely irrelevant because gangs will simply not use this system and continue to use their 3D floaters and continue to be cancerous regardless of this system's presence. I wonder if reading this thread has caused me to lose enough brain cells to be on par with your logic.
I like how this post is so old none of the mentioned groups exist in a way they used to anymore.
As the leader of Bunny Squad (850+ members), I actually DISAGREE with an idea like this being implemented.
The leader of Hoppou Legion (550+) also thinks it's a bad idea.
1. Having a singular "main group" may discourage people from participating in multiple different communities. There are many smaller Nanachi groups ran by friends.
While all of the Nanachi communities are on generally friendly terms, people might get disappointed with one-another if people start picking X or Y community as a favorite or main community. Even I don't want to display only my main community above my head - I want to express my partnership with my allies at Hoppou Legion as well.
At the very least, if this is to happen, I don't want it to be a system that would cause us to compete against each other for member loyalty. I very much feel like displaying a specific community on top would cause unfriendly competition.
Currently, lots of users enjoy simply putting all of the badges or logos from our favorite communities on our avatars and represent multiple communities at the same time. Perhaps a similar concept could be put into the design of a VRChat clan system.
(Thank you Ron for acknowledging that this could be done in a friendly and unfriendly way, during that raid on the community-ran stream after the dev stream was finished).
https://youtu.be/Q2JDvQJFfbo?t=11344
2. Having our community "displayed" in a nametag or otherwise is like putting a huge target on our backs for shady users to target and troll with clients, crashers, or ripping tools.
Hoppou Legion can probably attest to that danger more - back when all the shady stuff was more common and they were very active, they had to deal with crashers far more than we ever did.
There are groups that will most certainly rise to target people just based on that.
3. This is just a hunch, but no matter how this is done, I'm sure it will make group vs group drama more prevalent if shady groups make use of this feature, because people will start to call out X group as being shady and use it as a way to single people out. Whether or not some groups will deserve it, it will most definitely happen and start fights between people.
To some degree it already happens. And technically it's all part of social interaction - people will get in fights and drama, and then later on it will blow over.
If this ever comes into serious consideration, I really think you guys ought to work with the community and see what the groups themselves think or want from a system like this that won't backfire in some way.